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Pinoys, Yanks Blow Up a 2,000-Year-Old Sea Silk Route
Because of a complexity of a subject, this array of essays is lengthy, over 4,000 words added up. (Consider celebration of a mass over dual sittings or more.) It additionally presumes a reader's basic reason in general relations, Cold War geopolitics, American imperialist ideology, Chinese civilized universe as well as statehood, as well as a story of US intervention in Asia. Included in it are, in chronological order:
- The South Sea No.1 story,
- The South Sand islands,
- The 'Law of a Sea',
- The Christian Axis of Evil,
- Barack Obama's Pinoy maid,
- China's line in a sand,
- China's Yalu in a Nanhai ,
- San Miguel as well as Esso.
South Sea Number One
About twenty nautical miles off a seashore of Guangdong in 2007, China pulled out from twenty metres low a Nanhai Number One (, model in tip photo).
In contrariety to Europeans, aged Chinese vessels have been frequency found in a sea bed for a viewable reason they have been not equipped to fight, thus exposed to be sunk. Chinese ships have been additionally some-more stable, as a result lend towards to be larger. Nanhai Number One is 100 ft (30m) wide as well as 33 ft opposite or 10m.
Out of a sea, a 800-year-old vessel (or 900 years) will be sealed as well as kept submerged in sea water in a 68 m prolonged water-tight cavernous square of tunnel-like structure (! above, a Maritime Silk Route muster centre in Guangdong's Yangjiang ).
When found buried in silt Nanhai Number One was completely intact with 60,000-80,000 pieces of sell so it substantially sank not from a conflict though in a assign shortly after leaving port during a Song epoch (960-1279AD). European ships did not strech a distance of Nanhai Number One until a time of Portuguese Goa as well as Malacca in a late 15th Century as well as early 16th.
This meant which in distance as well as ocean starting capacity Song vessels (as opposite to a progressing Tang dynasty or a latter Ming epoch ships) preceded European ones by 200-500 years, as well as better. The 200-500 year range depends upon a date of Nanhai's construction, which was during a 300 year-long Song period. By a time of Zheng He, a largest Ming ships were any 400 ft prolonged with a carrying genius of 1,000 (that's aircraft conduit size.)
A partial of a Nanhai hull with a load of coins as well as gold items.
The Maritime Silk Route
There are, however, some-more vicious reasons to perspective Nanhai Number One than a comparison to European sea engineering.
One, it's a ship's name . This is additionally a benefaction hanzi name of a South China Sea. Two, a nature of a contents: a little bundles of silk as well as cotton, gold ornaments, ! china in gots, copper coins, a little from circa 100 AD, though lots of bowls, plates as well as pots, may be even chopsticks if they have been still preserved. (Contents of Nanhai: see this.) This seems banal except for a single fact, a porcelain have been mixed colours: red, pink, magenta, violet as well as hues of green as well as yellow. Tang pottery tended to be generally hues of grey as well as blue over white, so mixed colours endorse a Song epoch dating.
Chinese commoners, even today, have make make use of of of rather thick, coarse bowls as well as plates of grey as well as blue so which a qualitative as well as colour differences indicate which a Nanhai conveyance (it was certainly not pre-ordered since insurance was non-existent then) was intended for sale to a little relatively abounding people. Who? Where? Pendatang Chinese in Malacca? 'Malays'? Indians? Arabs? Or (those accursed) white people? It is some-more expected to be all a upon top of so which a Nanhai Number One conveyance was substantially wholesale cargo. Thus, somewhere in 'peninsula Malaya' or 'Malacca' or nearby (say, Acheh) is a warehouse to suggest as a redistribution centre for a products to Arabia as well as Europe.
The veracity of these speculations will be unfit to confirm. But dual vicious pieces of information arise from a archaeological evidence.
One, a transparent as well as widely known network of sea traffic routes in in between China as well as Southeast Asia, fluctuating to a Indian subcontinent as well as Arabia, initial appeared from a start of a Tang dynasty, 1400 years ago. This reaffirms ancient annals which spoke of voyages in to a South China Sea during a Han duration (206 BC-220 AD). By a time of a Song, 800 years later, shipping load was slight business.
In renouned novel this network is a Maritime Silk Route, reaching a tallness ! during a time of pre-Malacca Zheng He, circa 1402. (Why? See map of a traffic routes suggest below. North of a Great Wall, gangs of tribesmen, essentially bandits, were in motion executive Middle East as well as they made difficult as well as dangerous overland movement. The land is immeasurable so a emperor's soldiers can usually do so much.)
Two, Chinese story is closely firm to Malaysia as well as Southeast Asia. It is firm by general trade, by mutual exchanges, as well as by a giveaway transformation of shipping during a time once but encumbrance by colonisation as well as by white people, Europeans as well as Americans today. The latter of a dual now contend they have been prowling a South China Sea as well as a Straits of Malacca to pledge giveaway transformation of shipping from Chinese hegemonic designs. (The horse opera media says which all a time.)
This won't be so dubious if even a Americans reason their own promotion (helped spread by a like of Reuters, Bloomberg, UPI, plus their Anglophile minions such as Asia Times as well as Malaysiakini).
Top of a dual maps above: Tang epoch map of Asia, Arabia as well as India. Zheng He substantially referred to it when sailing off from Fujian Quanzhou. Below it is a successive improvement.
One thousand years prior to a Europeans in Asia, a Prophet additionally knew about China. Did he not say: "Seek reason as distant as China". Below, Guangzhou mosque from around 1100. Exact location, unknown. Present status, unknown.
Chine! se names since to islands as well as places in Terengganu as early as a Han era, fr.206 BC, as well as after which Sui fr.581 AD. Tang as well as Song banking coins have been found in Terengganu. (This illustration didn't come from a Chinese.)
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Nansha: a South Sand islands
'A' is a indicate of a corner China-Russia naval drill held this week. Next time they should reason it during a doorsteps of a Los Angeles customs office. Yankees do it all a time, outside alternative people's windows, Pyongyang for example, as well as contend that's in a American 'national interest'.
Below: a spice as well as silk routes beginning not prolonged after a Han dynasty founding, fluctuating to a Tang, Song as well as ceased eventually during a Ming when Europeans arrived. Silk, porcelain, cloth came from China. The spices would come from east of Borneo, a Malubu islands. Note which this nautical silk track passes a Nansha islands (anglicised Spratlys) during a time when a Philippines didn't exist not in any form.
An identical pattern exist currently nonetheless it is Singapore which has taken over a placement purposes of Malacca as well as Acheh as well as a products have been oil, electronics, clothing, toys as well as grain. Americans, helped by Singaporeans, have instead stepped in, in place of Europeans, to carry out a supply chain.
If a Pinoys succeed during Nansha afterwards they, with a Americans, would have a stranglehold upon China's entire traffic flitting a South China Sea which had been but encumbrance for 2,000 years. America would realize a dream of 'containing' China for whatever 'national interest' cause.
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Chinese Statehood vs Western Legalism
China's civilization, a people as well as a state have been so aged as well as well established which their life currently made redundant as well as a mockery of a benefaction set of general authorised regime ruling statehood as well as as well as skill claims.
For example, a country's explain upon any offshore skill is strengthened when evidence is produce to a outcome a claimant had exercise jurisdiction as well as had grown which property. Forms of jurisdiction carry out would be maps as well as official chronological records, such as commercial or edicts. By development it would meant a little discernible presence: people, houses, currency, tombstones, even a lighthouse.
On those basis, Chinese supervision would magnify south of Hainan as distant as tools of Indonesia such as Palembang, sweeping up others in between, Vietnam for example. Conversely, a Anglos would remove all rights to America, as well as they to be repatriated behind to Europe or to be thrown in to a Atlantic. Life is to a strong however.
Yet, this isn't a approach a Chinese cruise nor act. Which is to say, horse opera authorised injunctions such as a Law of a Sea (the UNLOS) isn't in a Chinese vocabulary or thought or ethical culture. On a contrary it says this, fundamentally: quarrel to keep what's yours, compensate for what isn't, return what's borrowed, as well as anything in in in between share.
One competence call it a 'principle'.
Anyway a single looks during it, this element helps insist since a Chinese as well as their state, China, have been always an inward-looking race; which is, thoughts your own business. (But gweilos as well as Anglophiles call this insularity racism all since a Chinese won't buy in to their Christianity, i.e. their indication of life.) It additionally helps insist since most mercantile ! crimes s uch as piracy as well as crimes committed by open officials have been in China collateral crimes punishment is death. It explains why, in spite of distant superior armoury as well as numbers, Chinese prolonged distance voyages abroad, in sold to Southeast Asia, initial since a Han, subsequent Sui, afterwards a Tang period, 1,300 years prior to a arrival of Europeans, did not result in defeat or land grab.
Today, a enabling mechanism for any Chinese skill explain is paradoxically not Chinese 'assertiveness' a word a horse opera media used to malign Chinese though a law a west had constructed. But these laws have been full of contradictions.
Consider a 370 km (200 nautical mile) exclusive mercantile offshore section which grants a 'right' (that word again) to jurisdictional as well as development of, say, an island. The ensuing complaint isn't usually overlapping claims in between claimants who has larger 'right' though additionally actual ownership.
The dual same concepts a claimant's right as well as tenure hit in a Nansha islands (anglicised Spratlys) in a center of a South China Sea.
This earnings to a horse opera judgment of a state as well as how it is during contingency with Chinese civilized universe as well as culture.
If a Chinese were to open a chronological annals (archived currently in Ningbo, Xi'an as well as Beijing) afterwards most states currently won't have a right to exist upon comment of general (actually western) law. But what great would which do? What role would it serve? How would contend an tenure explain be enforced? In an additional approach of stating a same problem: How have been a local populations of America, Canada, Australia as well as New Zealand to retrieve their supervision as well as rightful rule from a white European populations?
Westerners adopt a equivalence of jurisidictional as well as development carry out as equal to 'right'. Native American or Australian aborigines additionally have rights over their skill! except which a right is not enforceable by a 'state'; which is, they hadn't left about formulating a state upon horse opera conditions or rules. Malacca statehood, for example, was a moveable thing as opposite to a fixed embankment which white people would quarrel over in Europe over dual universe wars. Thus, when a white male arrived, guns blazing, a proprietor population simply shipped out.
And such differences in concepts stem from differences in civilized universe as well as culture, though for story which is told usually by west today. Once white outnumbered natives, afterwards which story is cemented as horse opera history. They say, for example, America is such a wonderful place since it has democracy a opinion so which no have a difference how difficult a locals shout for a replacement of their rights, or state, they don't have a opinion to enforce it.
All of which says, statehood, in a horse opera concept, has a origins during a indicate of a gun. Because, if this is true, afterwards it follows which jurisdictional explain (over Nansha for example) tends to be staid by force.
In an additional approach of observant a same thing: we initial squeeze a land, subsequent built your lighthhouses as well as a little armed forces barracks, as well as afterwards wait. Long enough, a island is yours; a explain of emperor carry out is thus established.
This horse opera thought of a state cruel as well as by force contrariety neatly opposite a Chinese thought of statehood. France is an ideological state; America is a legalistic state, an artifice; China is a civilization, as well as a really healthy one. It explains since a Chinese cruise westerners as barbarians a tenure gweilo is reserved for white people only.
It additionally explains since Chinese statehood is essentially rapt with cultivating, instructing as well as educating a own citizenry in to a virtues of culture, ethics as well as control which have been total in to a history. From a chronological per! spective , it is slightest bothered about grabbing land as well as overseas possessions which have been a dominant feature even currently of white societies everywhere. It is rarely, if during all, about domestic embankment or nationalism (which is western). The Chinese state thus sees itself as a pinnacle of a informative entity; a Chinese state is a informative state not a military or a domestic apparatus to suggest skill expansion. (The Law of a Sea, total by a west, is essentially skill enlargement out in to a sea.)
All this explains since China has accomplished subsequent to zero to 'assert' a sovereignty postulated by a west upon Nansha as well as alternative islands in in between Taiwan as well as Japan. (See maps. Nansha or Spratlys is not to be confused with a Paracel islands a Chinese call Xinsha which is administered directly by Hainan.)
Alliance of US-Pinoy Provocations
But, these Chinese perceptions of themselves have since, a arrival of a white male upon Chinese soil, shifted in noted terms.
And afterwards something happens in between.
Chinese fishermen have been seized, searched as well as as well as detained while fishing. Japan did it once. To justify a arrest, Japan lied to contend a fishermen tried to impel a gunship though leaked footages, from within a Japanese authorities, showed it was a alternative approach around.
Some days ago, a Flipino warship, a largest vessel since to it for giveaway by a Americans, shut off entry as well as exit of an island in a Nansha group, in sequence to detain a little Chinese fishermen taking shelter there from a storm. And a island is 180 km from any land indicate in a Philippines. (This harrassment contingency be seen in a light of an event final year when a Filipino s! upervisi on provoked literally a single of a ex-policeman to shoot passed eight Chinese tourists held by him as hostages in a bus.)
All of which is to contend there have been a single set of provocations after another. But these provocations, notice, do not regard island claims.
The Japanese as well as Filipino gunships were moving around those islands during will; no Chinese warship has come up to plea them or tell them to stay out of Chinese property.
Instead, a provocations engage a little fishermen doing what Chinese fishermen do fishing for nearly 2,000 years in these waters. Chinese annals spoke of a nautical silk traffic route, 1000 years prior to a Philippines or America was invented as a state. This track had hopped Chinese from coastal indicate to coastal indicate until a they reached India as well as Arabia since it was as well dangerous to go overland or opposite Xinjiang. (It was a barbarians bandits upon a northern plains.)
In a horse opera media (Reuters, UPI, Bloomberg), China is often blamed for these provocations. How? China, they would say, is "expanding a globe of influence"; which it has been "assertive"; which it is bureau building a naval arsenal, as well as so on. America stairs in, it says, to "protect" a "freedom of a general sea lanes".
Any of these excuses would not be ridiculous if a Americans even reason their own propaganda. Worse for it, American promises to contain China's globe of influence, to protect, as well as to suggest leisure were laughable even if true. The Chinese have been starting up as well as down a South China Sea for 2,000 years, trading, making no claims, seizing no property, as well as a Americans now discover 2,000 years later which China has hegemonic designs for a place.
What have a Chinese accomplished to hurt America, 8,000 km away, to deserve their venom?
Over as well as over as well as over as well as over as well as over, again as well as again as well as again as well as again, China in deba! te as we ll as in acts or by not behaving have attempted to work with assorted parties to solve a disputes.
Excepting under UN obligations, China is a usually vital appetite but a single infantryman stationed in an additional country. It has no so-called "defence treaties". For a most partial it has left Nansha alone, as it is with dozens of alternative islands. Every invasion as well as attack upon China (by Japan, Europe as well as America) a final 100 years have come from a sea as well as from a south generally a South China Sea in particular.
But these concerns as well as China's frankness have been instead brushed off as well as interpreted as artfulness in a approach Anglo-Americans as well as Anglophiles lend towards to be deceitful. It is currently even seen as weakness: Chinese humanist traditions action to deter a Chinese to get engage in any fight. (In a belligerence cultivated in his Anglophile mind, Peter Petra a Piper see a debility as Chinese cowardice: a Chinese won't brave take upon a Umno Melayu.)
On a general height therefore, a Chinese is intepreted as a ball-less doormat who wouldn't brave take upon America so a Pinoy maid could action like a difficult mama, trainer of a regional brothel with Yankee thugs behind her.
(To bleed general sympathy, Anglophile Filipino reporters, coached by Americans, would paint a confrontation with a Chinese in standard white, biblical terms: a lone, infirm David vs a execrable Goliath. Brown people have been so nice, innocent as well as pure. See for e.g. this brown-outside, white-inside square of coconut named George Amurao).
These people blink a Chinese. They additionally blink a low hurt as well as suffering a Chinese have had to continue for decades since of American imperialism in Vietnam, Korea, China mainland, currently in a Middle East as well as Central Asia.
The Chinese recollect their history. In a conflict of Gua! ndu (cir ca 200 AD, Three Kingdoms era), 10,000 were killed in a single day along a Huang (Yellow) River, as well as which was with usually knives as well as arrows. China has fought large wars, often with itself as well as most were not value it. But currently it will be opposite a foreign provocateur as well as army.
Foreign perceptions of a Chinese, all erroneous, raises a problem. Instead of seeking during a merits of a territorial dispute, a Filipino, like white racist, cite to separate during China. The Pinoy, desiring she has God, a Pope as well as Uncle Sam by her side could thus incite as well as incite as well as provoke. She does so upon a assumption a Chinese don't have a go through for a fight.
But afterwards Chinese civilized universe was never solid sailing either; it is patient. It has taken a Chinese 5,000 years to strech this state, as well as have been they to give it all up since of a little brothel lady in Clark?
If China did give it up what would it be for a millions upon hundreds of millions of dead, a forefathers of our forefathers in whose name a Chinese endure? Before a Pinoy whore, there were a Portuguese chaplain, a English trader, French governor, a German preacher, a Japanese katana, as well as afterwards American navy captain.
The Chinese have been ill as well as sleepy of being pushed around generally upon their own backyard.
The Filipino maid, upon a alternative hand, has no thought comprehensive none what it is to demeanour in to a sea of red as well as passed Pinoys. The Chinese have been there in those circumstances, many, many, most times so many, most which it would penetrate Malacanang in under 5 seconds.
We'll see who has a go through or no go through for a dead. Of course, a great Christian Pinoys will end up in heaven as well as a heathen Chinese will be in hell. But that's okay.
The Christian using dog is pulling his luck.
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Endnote:
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The EEZ, exclusive mercantile zone, is a small extension of state power. EEZ is a sea section over which a state has special rights over a scrutiny as well as have make make use of of of of sea resources, including production of appetite from water as well as wind. It stretches from a seaward edge of a state's territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 km) from a coast.
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China's process position is which a supervision as well as jurisdiction over a Nansha islands is chronological as well as indisputable. Chinese annals upon those aspects have been as prolonged as well as as aged as a Great Wall. This does not meant it would not share development of a skill with others in a same approach it has lend a land for a have make make use of of of by alternative countries.
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At a little point, after a 13th general elections, Najib Razak will have to decide: action or do nothing. If he acts, how. If Pakatan wins, there is no doubt Anwar Ibrahim will move in a Americans in to a Nansha brawl as well as he'd have make make use of of of them as he would a Pinoy prostitute.
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Once a total commercial operation gets really messy, it will be a initial time in 2,000 years, which everybody, China in particular, has to ask a accede of Philippines as well as America to have make make use of of of a Maritime Silk Route.
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If a Yanks want war, thence to be serviced out of a Pinoy brothel residence called Clark, afterwards this imperialism would have to be staid once as well as for all.
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Postscript Note to Malaysians, Ahi SS Malaiyoos included.
The line in a sand: a South Sea Yalu
The Nansha brawl is serious, flourishing in astringency by a week. Its decrease is faster than ev! en a ant icipations of a Chinese in Beijing who have been occasionally wrong in their calculations. Where is it headed?
An correct answer to a subject initial requires we to betray a promotion constructed (and total in a English, naturally) by a pro-American Anglophile reporters in AFP, Reuters as well as others.
One approach to do this is, go behind to a Nansha map (above). All a 700 specks of reefs, grass as well as beaches when added up amounts to no some-more than 4 sq km, barely sufficient to land a Boeing 747. Some helicopter pads could be built (Taiwan has one), though not as a military facility since it would be so open to a transparent pleasant sky dual cruise missiles launched whether from a boat or aircraft will put a hole so large as to penetrate a total place. It is which small as well as vulnerable.
Although a area has been in brawl for a prolonged time, we anybody could still fish there as well as object bath in a beaches (if we can get there). And precisely since it is in dispute, nobody has sunk a exam well to see if there is any oil or gas so which media reports of copious pot have been meant to ramp up a stakes (and indicate it out as explanation which China is greedy). There has usually been mapping surveys. And note which a continental shelf around a Philippines or Taiwan or Vietnam has no existent oil extraction starting on, suggesting which a Nansha is usually great for fishing as well as Ambiga's LGBT people.
But, as well as this is a large but, if we were sailing up to China in a bulk load boat from, say, Singapore with Penang wiring or refined Arabian wanton we have been firm to see those reefs as well as atolls. Look difficult sufficient we competence even see a stingray. The shipping track is which close.
Conclusion: a Nansha has no military value, a little mercantile worth, as well as great usually for a day-trip.
So what does a Pinoy want with a skill when Benign-no-more-Aquino can't even manage a thousands of Philippine islands from ! disinteg rating in to jihadist bombs, most reduction to feed his people? For a answer demeanour to a Americans who, it contingency be recalled, perspective China currently by how they once viewed Russia, which is, by Cold War standards: how to repair a Chinese. In geopolitical language: containment.
Why?
The answers as to 'why' have been over a scope of this postscript, though a array of American as well as Filipino provocations (killing of Chinese tourists, harassing fishermen, physically occupying some-more islands, fight games) have been suggestive. Those provocations rest upon a number of vicious assumptions, associated to Cold War calculations:
- China won't control a initial strike;
- China won't go chief with a bomb;
- China has no military capacity nor weaponry to quarrel a postulated fight;
- China has as well most to lose, which is, ships as well as products starting behind as well as forth; as well as generally this,
- Hansha isn't value fighting over.
In all of these assumptions, a US refuses to admit which Chinese ships, people as well as products as a result jurisdiction have been in these waters a thousand years longer than even both a Philippines as well as a US have been in existence, combined.
The usually 'right of claim' a Philippines has upon a Nansha is a square of so-called law made up in a west. Nothing else. It can't even have a box for Sabah, most reduction have make make use of of of a UNLOS as an excuse so that, all pronounced as well as done, a Pinoy would be swathing flies in their Luzon Clark brothels, but clients as well as starving, as well as but a Americans as well as their promises of mercantile handouts.
The Chinese supervision explain is chronological as well as steeped in a civilization. Would a Chinese thus stepped retrograde as well as let a Americans trainer around a place?
This earnings to a subject in a beginning: what's starting to happen?
For which answer go behin! d to a K orean peninsula war.
The Americans had afterwards invaded a north upon a same assumptions which a Pinoys held of a Chinese today. Thus, when a Americans reached a northern Korean limit with China, a latter sent some-more than a million soldiers opposite a Yalu river. Surprised by China's involvement, a Americans were pushed behind until a standoff which is now noted by a north-south Korean border.
Nansha is not a little place like a little distant stadium of holidaying white Americans such as Hawaii is to a US. But Aquino's child like to cruise upon those terms, generally since a meditative has come with his allegiance to white Christian culture: he substantially thinks a Chinese is a bunch of foolish godless infidels. Benigno Aquino as a Christian racist as well as a coconut to foot is not a find of fact.
But if he is wrong as well as he is afterwards he will go upon as well as upon with his provocations so which a single day, a Chinese competence like to finish off Makati as well as Manila as well as so start anew. It will be usually a single strike improved nuclear. There'll be no need for soldiers as well as guns. After which let's see if Barack Obama, black male who acts whiter than white, will risk Los Angeles, San Francisco as well as a entire West Coast for his great Christian buddy.
If a Chinese have been starting die, choked to genocide in their own backyard, afterwards together lets die (paraphrase from an aged Chinese saying).
Some ramifications:
- Taiwan will be a step closer to reunification with a mainland.
- Hong Kong's brace to a USD would have to decouple.
- Unwind all USD object holdings; a dollar as a reserve as well as traffic banking is accomplished any way in a prolonged term.
- Sell a Filipino market as well as generally those Esso shares which a Pinoy is collecting.
And Ahi Attan: tell your Mahathir's boys to dont think about San Miguel. They will be land a prohibited potato as well ! late to dump, as well as no buyers. Consider this as batch tip no charge, Malaysian to Malaysian.
Above, an pouch from the , which is, Nansha magistracy (meaning supervision office). Rather than as a postal item, it was substantially used for a rite purpose, a temple perhaps. Actual print date is different though it was acquired by a Taiwan Museum in 1985 after it was found upon a single of a islands Taiwan controls.
From above, a atolls in Nansha demeanour as a Chinese had prolonged ago pictured them in metaphorical references, which says Stone Pools by a Thousands or this A Thousand Strings of Sand.
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