December 17, 2012
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Interview with The Foreign Minister of Republic of Indonesia, Dr Marty Natalegawa
CLOSE-KNIT SOCIETIES: Ahead of a annual talks in in in in between Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak as good as Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa dissects multiform shared issues as good as shares with Farrah Naz Karim, who was in Jakarta, his ideas for mending ties in in in in between both countries
Question: The consultation talks scheduled this week will be hold amid multiform huffy shared issues. How will this platform residence these issues?
Answer: you consider it is really critical to perspective these kind of meetings in in in in between a leaders of both countries as partial a routine a routine in in in in between Kuala Lumpur as good as Jakarta which is really complete as good as with a sundry turn of communication. The routine takes place during a ministerial level, senior officers as good as technical level, right up to a tip leaders. So, you have a really complete as good as multi-level routine of consultations. And this helps sustain a dual neighbours' good relations. This assembly additionally provides both countries (with) vital guidance as to what have been a next set of priorities, encompassing bilateral, informal as good as global issues.
Question: Where will this consultation take both countries?
Answer: When you talk about shared relations, in in in between a areas of focus would be a graduation of a t! raffic a s good as investments as this is a bread as good as butter of any shared relations.
But when it comes to Malaysia, it goes over mercantile trade, investments as good as tourism, given a inlet of a really tighten societies. So, you place a great bargain of primacy in a people-to-people relations. This includes in a areas of preparation as good as consular issues in in in in between us as you have a vast series of Indonesians vital in Malaysia as good as serve for Malaysia. The assembly will additionally warn serve upon unconcluded matters similar to a borders as good as nautical boundary issues.
Question: How would Jakarta rate a dual countries' people-to-people relations?
Answer: There have been dual issues where a people-to-people family have been concerned, there's perception as good as there's reality. The being is which there is a huge degree of interaction in in in in between a people of both countries by a preparation zone with thousands of a students there, as good as vice-versa, a sell of tourists as good as in a job market. Unfortunately, you have a perception complaint as a attribute tends to get courtesy usually when problems arise, be it consular issues, limit or insurance of a nationals. Often, these cases have zero to do with a government. The in-between of things contingency be some-more pronounced. The loyal inlet of a family contingency be invariably highlighted as good as not usually when there have been issues as good as problems. Negative incidents which take place lend towards to figure popular opinions though receiving in to care what a attribute of both countries have been actually like.
Question: How do you reckon this unchanging graduation of a receptive to advice shared family could be finished to shroud these disastrous perceptions?
Answer: This is where both governments have to do better. Arising issues as good as hurdles contingency be efficiently addressed. We continge! ncy init ial forestall them as good as when you have been faced with them, they contingency be scrupulously identified fast as good as a necessary insurance fast given. At a same time, you have to put things in context. We contingency not be in denial though rather essay to residence them. Having pronounced that, you contingency safeguard which a alternative measure of a shared family provide a balance as good as anchor a shared relations, as good as which they have been brought to a fore. Some of a incidents, similar to a rape box of a citizen by multiform policemen, have performed open courtesy as good as have been dealt with seriousness by both governments. It is what it is as good as it has zero to do with a supervision or a rest of Malaysia. Both governments have been upon a same page as good as operative together in handling issues similar to this, though high-profile incidents lend towards to conclude a family as good as it's a job to forestall this from function as good as keep making sure you have evident courses of action.
Question: How do you consider Malaysia has been reacting to such incidents?
Answer: There is a authorised aspect as good as there's open expectation. We know a law operates during a sure pace as good as there have been sure mandate as good as authorised procedures to go through. But sometimes, there's a clever wish upon a partial of people to see justice being carried out speedily. I've never had any problems relaying a concerns as good as expectations as good as you hope these will be scrupulously looked into. Not too prolonged ago, when there were a lot of shooting cases there (in Malaysia), you came across a matter from a Malaysian management which a vast series of them were Indonesians. When you present interpretation of which kind just similar to that, it is firm to create a furore. So, you additionally need to be measured.
Question: How clever do you consider is a mechanism which Jakarta has put in place to conduc! t a grat ification of Indonesians in Malaysia?
Answer: The MoU (memorandum of understanding) upon maids for instance was meant to be surety in nature. That was since it covered areas similar to a day off, passport receive as good as minimum wage. On paper it is sound, though unfortunately, given a implementation early this year, usually 97 people have left to Malaysia to work using which protecting framework.
Yet, during a same time, you have a issuance of a JP (Journey Performance) visa, which facilitates employment which do not come underneath this protecting umbrella. you theory it's quicker though it's similar to an accident watchful to happen. In alternative words, you have a mechanism which is not entirely utilised. That's since you told my colleagues to look during whether there is a bottleneck somewhere or underlying issues which need to be addressed, since if you have been perplexing to solve something though in a finish you have an outward system, it will not work.
It is not my intention to make any suggestions upon how Malaysia should be addressing issues. We have been perplexing to set out a many suitable mechanisms, not usually with Malaysia, though all countries during your convenience you have consular issues.
Question: How do you many suitable residence these manpower issues, generally when both countries have independent systems as good as sets of policies?
Answer: We could look during three areas.
1. PREVENTION: By right away you should (have a big) enough dossier of cases, to be means to brand their base causes. From a end, you have identified a little base causes, together with problems which stem from marker as good as documents. On Kuala Lumpur's finish there competence be a little issues to residence with employment agencies. Let us lay down as good as look during a series of bullet points which you can both residence as impediment is regularly improved than carrying ! to confr ont a problems. It will be useful for us to be in synergy as good as where a MoU is concerned you consider there have been a lot of points as good as movement skeleton which you can work upon to improved a system.
2. EARLY DETECTION: This means, notwithstanding a efforts to forestall problems, when it happens nonetheless, you contingency be means to fast identify, conduct as good as finalise it speedily. We have had for a little time right away a Mandatory Consular Notification (MCN), where if there have been Malaysians in consular difficulties here, you have a imperative order to surprise a Malaysian authorities. So, you will be means to practice your protecting role. Likewise, nonetheless Malaysia does not have this mechanism as it is already required by a Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations to do so, a similar agreement would benefit us both in traffic precisely with such issues.
When you have a menu of early showing capacities, a embassy in KL could react proactively.
3. PROTECTION: Notwithstanding a impediment efforts, when you detect a problem, both countries contingency be means to carry out their insurance responsibilities. This includes access to authorised counsel. Serious issues should engage embassies, a police, as good as a attorney-general. That's since you have been right away perplexing to come up with a set of cooperation mechanisms with a unfamiliar as good as home affairs ministries since there have been a lot of cases which need a courtesy of these authorities. Ultimately, you contingency work side by side. In traffic with cases, generally high-profile ones, you contingency fast mitigate them as good as during a same time lift a alternative measure of a relationship. Perhaps an venerable persons organisation (EPG) could facilitate this.
Question: There have been a lot of social problems caused by Indonesians in Malaysia as good as a series of them criminalised is utterly significant. If Jakarta wants Kuala! Lumpur to implement a Mandatory Consular Notification, can you take it a step serve by maybe additionally looking during a "wanted list" of Indonesians or put in measures to stop unsavoury characters from entrance in to Malaysia?
Answer: We can additionally hand over to Malaysian a wanted rapist list. That can be done. This early presentation complement is simply to keep a single another supportive as it has a good handling impact. Beyond that, there have been many possibilities to explore, together with mutual authorised assistance, extradition treaties as good as alternative arrangements within a ASEAN framework. For instance, you have been interested in additionally carrying an agreement with Malaysia in transferring of sentenced persons.
Question: You seem optimistic which these three formulas could damp a people here, generally when less than fascinating issues stand up?
Answer: you consider so. It's not similar to a magic wand though you will have a improved chance of not permitting incidents of these types to conclude a relations. That's since I'm really focusing upon a areas of prevention. But you all know full good there won't be a foolproof effort in a initial attempt; you might need a second or third. For any attribute to be sustainable, it contingency be jointly beneficial.
Question: The EPG you proposed, is it to look in to issues privately revolving around people-to-people family as good as manpower?
Answer: There was such a organisation prior to and, hopefully, it will be revived. We have been recommending which this EPG creates sure which a many suitable measures have been taken in traffic with such issues as good as which balance is there in addressing them. It could additionally play a purpose in government-to-government, business-to-business, Parliament as good as girl as good as women groups' dealings in in in in between both countries. We need to make a fami! ly some- more multi-faceted and, therefore, means to catch any kind of shock.
Question: Will this EPG be a reality?
Answer: During a last corner ministerial meeting, my reflection as good as you concluded to suggest to a leaders to re-launch a EPG. Now it's a matter of it being endorsed. We will go in to who will be a representatives. On a MCN, if Malaysia is not favourable to it, you could have a opposite arrangement, so prolonged as you have which early presentation arrangement. Currently, it is finished upon a personal turn with my Malaysian counterpart. When something happens, you will contact him or he will call me to fast residence a issue. It is good when countries can encounter halfway to solve problems. This is a kind of sourroundings which complicated multitude has. Malaysia has a own internal made during home settings as good as dynamics as good as so does Indonesia. But what you have to do is simply plan a comprehensiveness of a shared relations.
Question: Many have been carefree which Jakarta as good as Kuala Lumpur will solve a government-to-government agreement to residence a lassie issue.
Answer: The horizon of a MoU was drawn after prolonged discussions. The MoU is a mechanism which is to be reviewed any three months to brand what functions as good as what doesn't. We have to wait for a result as good as result. We live in a globalised world as good as both countries have been really close, simply accessible. The horizon contingency be a single which factors in all which as good as provide a cognition of which reality. We contingency remember which you will have an Asean village by 2015. We might be overtaken by events if during a shared level, you have been terribly slow in keeping up with things, some-more so when during a informal level, things have been function most faster.
Question: Over a last couple of years, how many protest records concerning shared issues has Jakarta sent! Kuala L umpur?
Answer: I wouldn't know. Our communications go behind as good as forth. We often engage any other, generally upon a emanate of insurance of a nationals, in reserve from limit defilement incidences. We sell records since which is partial as good as parcel of putting upon a jot down which these incidences contingency be addressed. The past a single year, however, has been utterly difficult since a little of a issues were high-profile. That is since you need to fast residence them.
Question: How far brazen have been you in addressing a nautical limit issue?
Answer: We have been deliberating it in a last couple of meetings. In a past dual years, there have been increasing intensification as good as frequency of discussions as good as meetings during a technical as good as senior level. Already there have been a series of accord reached as good as a technical turn will pierce to a courtesy of a leaders if they can be sealed in as good as prior to you determine to pierce upon to alternative unused segments. Our ap proach is to residence a main emanate as good as which no agreement will be made until a macro is concluded on. As you work towards achieving that, you lay by residence emerging consensus, derived from a many opposite elements sur rounding a issue.
Kuala Lumpur as good as Jakarta can be a indication to a rest of South East Middle East which carrying unused limit segment issues doesn't have to become a shared problem. It is a actuality of hold up for dual countries with such proximity. And carrying this kind negotiations as good as meetings is crucial in ensuring which these unused issues have been addressed by dialogues as good as talks. A classical e.g. of how talks could pierce mutual benefit would be a bargain you reached upon handling a unintended encroachment of nautical bounds by a particular fishermen. This agreement can be seen in a MoU upon Common Guidelines Concerning Treatment of Fish ermen ! by a Mar itime Enforcement Agencies of Malaysia as good as Indonesia, signed in January this year. This MoU is not meant to finalise a actual nautical limit delimitation as good as it is not prejudicial to a last outcome, though this kind of agreement to conduct unwanted incidences in in in in between dual really friendly as good as tighten nations is a prime e.g. to a rest of a region, of how a complaint could be managed.
Question: When do you consider KL as good as Jakarta could land something petrify in finally settling this issue?
Answer: It will take years. Some of a past negotiations upon a nautical delimitation even took thirty years. This is a really critical as good as supportive emanate as good as it contingency be formed upon concluded principles. The basement of discussions which have been receiving place cover a law of a seas as good as alternative international laws. We need to safeguard which whilst this takes place, a conditions upon a ground as good as during sea, sojourn peaceful.
Both leaders will warn upon a development of ne gotiations which have been receiving place as good as give guidance from there. To some, this might receptive to advice really executive as good as bureaucratic, though upon issues similar to this, a actuality which meetings have been receiving place is itself really critical as it allows us to improved understand where a alternative side is entrance from as good as avoid miscalculations as good as misunderstandings.
Question: Has there been a deadline set to finalise a issue?
Answer: I find it nonessential to have deadlines. The many gainful way is to encourage progress as good as take note where you have been as good as how fast you have proceeded. But you do not set artificial deadlines. Both nations have been utterly com fortable in any other's political joining to entirely residence as good as finalise a limit issues
Question: How is Kuala Lum! pur as g ood as Jakarta expanding a mercantile relations?
Answer: We had about a single million Malaysians tourists in 2011. This year until Jul a series was already 634,000. We have been upon lane with a shared traffic ambitions. Our traffic worth last year was US$ twenty-two billion (RM67 billion).
Malaysia invested a little US$ 600 million here last year whilst receiving in US$ 400 million from Indonesia. Our mercantile family have been becoming increasingly important. We have been additionally both operative closely within ASEAN in office building a informal community. The beauty of a Malaysia-Indonesia attribute is which it is comprehensive in nature, where there is rendezvous during all levels, from a highest of leadership to a typical public.
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