Why does the age of the chairman establish which justice has office over cases involving unlawful sex orzina? Do you mean to discuss it me which if you have been not nonetheless eighteen afterwards you have been not nonetheless the Muslim? Only when you reach eighteen you turn the Muslim? Can those underneath 18, therefore, drink as well as eat pig as well as go to church given you have been not nonetheless the Muslim as well as the Sharia justice has no energy over you until you hold 18?
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Raja Petra Kamarudin
You may have noticed which you have not created the thing per former inhabitant youth patrol bowler Noor Afizal Azizan's orthodox rape case.
First of all, you suspicion which given every male as well as his dog was already articulate about it you do not unequivocally need me to comment as well. you mean it is not utterly the infinite story which you normally like to dally in. It is some-more like the 'over-told' story.
Furthermore, do you unequivocally need some-more 'noise'? There is such the thing called overkill as well as punishment the dead horse (an idiom). There is additionally such the thing called information overload, which creates people lethargic as well as sometimes defence to the issue. Hence 'too much' can be counter-productive.
Secondly, this appears to have turned into an antithesis crusade, which is bad. Once it is viewed as the domestic emanate rather than an emanate of justice, people turn divided upon the emanate based upon domestic leanings as well as not given it is either the right thing or the wrong thing. People will oppose right or support wrong if the criteria is politics. Take crossovers as the single example.
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Anyway, what is my take upon the issue?
Okay, have been you angry about the court's preference given you have been an antithesis supporter or given it is morally (or legally) wrong to not classify the box as orthodox rape instead of consensual sex? (Note which even some of those in supervision feel the same way as you do nonetheless they verbalise 'gentler' in expressing their perspective as well as without the venom).
you consider the some-more critical subject would be have been you able of setting in reserve governing body when you speak about this emanate -- or any emanate for which matter which involves justice, polite liberties, etc? Can you leave the Barisan Nasional as well as Pakatan Rakyat hats outward the door as well as come to the table as Malaysians of usual interests as well as concerns?
That is the the single thing you find most formidable to do. It is always governing body first as well as everything else second, even in matters such as Hudud, which is ostensible to be upon top of governing body though is not.
Okay, so the male (or boy) has sex with an underage girl. My first subject would be: have been the men/boy as well as lady Muslims? If they have been afterwards this iszina(illicit sex or sex outward marriage). And is notzinaa crime underneath the Sharia (Islamic law)? Hence should not the child as well as lady be tried underneath the Sharia?
If the man/boy as well as lady were both upon top of eighteen they would have been brought to the Sharia court. Why have been they not brought to the Sharia justice only given the single or both have been next 18?
In Islam, the 'age of consent' would be the age of puberty. For girls which would be once she gets her duration as well as which could even be when she is nine years old. According to the Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, the Prophet Muhammad tied together Aishah when she was 6 though did not 'take her' until she was nine. And aren't Muslim! s ostens ible to believe in as well as strictly follow the Hadith as well as Sunnah or else they stop to be Muslims as well as would becomekafir(infidels).
Hence if the lady is thirteen as well as she already has her period, is she legally (in Islam, which is) the woman who can agree to sex or is she still the child? And hence, also, given she is the Muslim as well as 'legally the woman', is she underneath obligation for her 'crime' of consenting to sex or is she blameless? In other words, if the Sharia justice were to try them, would both be upon trial or only the man/boy?
Okay, you can argue which the Sharia justice does not come into fool around here. This matter does not engage the Sharia court.
Why not? If Muslims upon top of eighteen 'get caught' for unlawful sex they get dragged to the Sharia court. The usual law justice has no energy to try Muslim adults who have sex outward marriage. In fact, sex outward matrimony is not the crime underneath usual law (even for Muslims) unless it is same-gender or happy sex.
Why does the age of the chairman establish which justice has office over cases involving unlawful sex orzina? Do you mean to discuss it me which if you have been not nonetheless eighteen afterwards you have been not nonetheless the Muslim? Only when you reach eighteen you turn the Muslim? Can those underneath 18, therefore, drink as well as eat pig as well as go to church given you have been not nonetheless the Muslim as well as the Sharia justice has no energy over you until you hold 18?
Okay, what if the church or Christians preaches Christianity to Malay boys as well as girls of thirteen or fourteen (in short, next 18). Is this the crime? A crime underneath which law? Common law? Under usual law it is not the crime to evangelise Christianity to Malay children. It is only the crime according to the Religious Department.
But the Religious Department does not have energy over us until you have been 1! 8. Islam recognises 9-year olds as adults. Common law does not. We have been adults only during 18. And usual law decides either you have been adults. Not the Religious Department.
So how?
The subject is: who has energy over Muslims? The usual law courts or the Sharia courts? And because does the usual law justice have energy over us until you have been eighteen as well as afterwards the Sharia justice takes over after that? Is age eighteen the 'legally adult' age in Islam? And if eighteen were the authorised adult age underneath Islam, can Muslims next eighteen get married?
Yes, Muslims next eighteen can get matrimony upon condition they have been 'adults' (meaning reached puberty) as well as they have their parent's consent. Hence during which age they have been already obliged for their own actions, even in crimes of unlawful sex.
But afterwards you have been not articulate about the Qur'an, Hadith, Sunnah or Islamic law here. We have been articulate about usual law. Hence usual law overrides the Qur'an, Hadith, Sunnah or Islamic law as well as will confirm during what age you have been an adult as well as during what age you have been still the child. And you will face the usual law justice when you have been legally the kid as well as the Sharia justice once you have been legally an adult. And nonetheless Islam has motionless the age of adulthood, Islam has no energy over Muslims given the laws of the land as well as Islam do not work in tandem.
Crazy or not? In Islam, sacrament decides when you turn an adult as well as hence can get tied together as well as have sex. But Islam does not have the energy to confirm during what age you would be considered as having consensual sex outward marriage. That the usual law decides. And which age is 18.
Now, who decides when you stop being the kid as well as legally turn an adult nonetheless during the age of nine you already discovered the disproportion in between the child as well as! lady as well as knew what to do with which thing in between the legs? Well, the 222 Members of Parliament, of course. They pass all the laws as well as they have motionless which only during age seventeen you can expostulate as well as during age eighteen you can have sex as well as during age twenty-one you can vote.
But because during age 17, eighteen as well as twenty-one respectively?
Queen Isabella of Valois tied together Richard II when she was 6 years, eleven months as well as 25 days old.
David II tied together Joan, the daughter of Edward II, when he was 4 years as well as 134 days old.
Louis XIV of France became King during age 5 as well as took over full control during 23.
Joan of Arc led the French opposite the English during age 17.
And of march you have which story per Aishah, the mother of Prophet Muhammad.
In those days, you tied together as soon as you legally became the woman, which was when you got your period, as well as would have been around age 9-11. At age 10-13 boys assimilated the army as well as fought as well as died for their country. These were ages when you were no longer children.
you know, times have changed as well as you no longer consider girls of 10 or boys of thirteen as adults. That may be so when it comes to usual law though not if you consider religion.
So, have been you angry about the box of Noor Afizal Azizan given you understand it as him having sex with an underage lady as well as the law says the lady of thirteen cannot agree to sex as well as hence he pennyless the law? Okay, so it is the law which you have been endangered about, am you correct?
The law says which the lady of thirteen cannot agree to sex. This is the law upheld by Parliament, the body which can legally pass laws, which you all contingency follow. And given Noor Afizal Azizan pennyless the law upheld by Parliament you have been outraged.
Okay, you! can acc ept that. The law contingency be followed. After all this is the law upheld by Parliament. But hold on, Parliament additionally upheld the law which says you contingency get the military permit if you wish to hold the demonstration. Should this law not additionally be followed given you have been intensely endangered about the law? Was Tunku Abdul Aziz Tunku Ibrahim thus scold in which the law contingency be followed?
Hmm...touch or not touch?
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